I heard from so many of you. Thank you.
The vet did come back out today and locked her in her stall. He said to limit her movement. He is coming back tomorrow and we will talk about our game plan.
Included in that game plan may be some of the suggestions I received today…
Here are several quick excerpts of ideas sent my way today. Some kinda wacky (Hey, I’ll try almost anything at this point) and some very intriguing.
SUGGESTIONS TO HELP WITH FOUNDER (in no particular order)
(Some of these emails were sent with phones or devices… spelling errors and all.)
Essiac Tea do you know ties herbal product. We use it here for ay reasons mostly fitness. I s all round for all life. But with horses we see a healing and it can help detox ..Piton feed to moisten syringe in mouth I have one injured tendons that drinks her share without asking and after month of steady dosing she appears to improve no meds administered. Milk Thistle s only other herb used . This tea is a known for detox and for blood sugar balance as well. Which we see the sugar imbalance as a precursor for founder cases
I write not to worry you just ideas as I know how very focused you stay. No need to answer either. Take care.
I love your blog and am so sorry to hear about your struggle with Mama Tess. You may have heard of it, but I would really urge you to check out the website http://ecirhorse.org/ and sister group http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/ even if you don’t think Mama Tess has PPID or IR. There is life saving information there for laminitic horses, and my horse, and many others, would not be here now if not for the help of this group.
I had a situation similar to yours and tried all the appliances and approaches recommended by my very trusted vet, but nothing worked until I found this group. It’s not just an internet chat room or listserve: It’s the largest field trial in the world for these horses and is veterinarian guided. My horse was a rescue and foundered when he was 7, with significant rotation and sinking, but is happy and comfortable today. Because it’s cutting edge information based on science, many vets and farriers, especially if they have thriving practices that keep them busy in the field, aren’t aware of this latest information.
If you haven’t already, please check it out. You and Mama Tess will be in my prayers from down here in Texas.
All the best,
Dear Dawn, bless your heart. You must be just aching over your Tess’s pain. Please know that prayers and positive thoughts and virtual hugs are on their way to you both.
Shannon Carner of Carner Equine Podiatry in Virginia is the best in the business (after Pete Ramey and Jaime Jackson), and is willing to travel anywhere. She has clients as far as China aand Australia, and her success rate with founder is phenomenal. She has a very good page on founder. Also, I highly recommend reading the article “Distal Descent of P3” by Pete Ramey. Both websites are easily found on Google, both articles are written for us laymen, and you will be extremely knowledgeable about founder afterward.
Keep your hopes up, God answers prayer :)
I am so sorry to hear about your Tess. You must be just heartbroken over her condition. Please know that prayers and positive thoughts and virtual hugs are on their way to you both.
An old friend of mine in Virginia, Shannon Carner of Carner Equine Podiatry, is the best in the business (after Pete Ramey and Jaime Jackson, who no longer make house calls, unfortunately), and her success rate with founder is phenomenal. She has clients as far away as China and Australia, and she’s willing to travel. She has a good page on founder:
Pete Ramey is THE foremost hoof expert worldwide, and he has a fantastic article on founder called “Reversal of P3 Distal Descent” here:
Both Shannon and Pete write specifically for us laymen, and while I can’t guarantee positive results for Tess, and I can absolutely guarantee you will be very knowledgeable about founder after reading their articles.
Knowledge is power, my friend, so keep your hopes up! And God answers prayer :)
Yarrow is a great anti-inflammatory. I just have another resource. Her name is Carolyn Libby and she follows a line of homeopathic-like care. Actually she would yell at me for saying homeopathic…She is promotes something called “remedies.” They support healing in a way I have never experienced before.. when I learn about horses who are suffering I tell them about Carolyn.
She can be found at www.purplechanges.com
I hope for the best for Tess. Read this month’s Equus magazine – there’s a whole section on canon and trims and rotations. My 10 yr old mare has been getting stiffer and stiffer. I called in my vet who wanted her on bute before riding her and keeping her on trails and fields for the softer ground and minimize the turning in the same direction. I called in a different farrier because of the article and he trained and specialized in barefoot trimming. He said the stiffness was caused by the sugar content in the grass which would cause her to founder later on. He also showed me these shoes that are used on mustangs that actually support the frog and allow growth and self trimming over the top. He said he glued a pad on then used racehorse shoe nails to put these shoes on so they don’t damage the hoof. He also said to muzzle her to keep her off the grass and give her a feed supplement that has 32% protein (Purina). If you want, I can send you the farrier’s name and number?
Just wanted to let you know that Tess is in my prayers. This product is one we use at the rescue. We had a Tennuvian, Granny Jewels with very bad rotation. This product , http://www.appliedequinepodiatry.org/Perfect_Hoof_Wear.html; helped her as it has helped many others at the rescue. I have copied Theresa on this e-mail in hopes that she can also shed some advice about it.
another company with the same concept…but worth the read
Dawn: Rotation is not a big deal. The horse can grow out a totally normal foot within a year. You have to eliminate the causes of the laminitis and continually lower the heels and take back the toe. It is scary to see them lie down, but actually it is beneficial. If they are in pain, it is natures signal to get off the feet. I just got through trimming my foundered/rotated gelding. It is best to do frequent micro-trims with a foundered horse. I trim him once a week. I can’t use shoes b/c I trim too often. I have used casting. But again. it prevents constant trimming. I don’t trim the outer sole callus at all. ( the outer 2/3 of the hoof). I just trim around the frog, lower the heels and take back the toe from the top. The hardest thing for owners to do is nothing. If you do nothing except trimming and Laminox from Uckele the hoof will heel itself. My horse Sparky has chronic laminitis because he is Insulin Resistant. I have him on magnesium, chromium, jiagulan, and
trace minerals to balance the hay. I also alternate between omega horseshine for vitamin E and Equine Chia from Horsetech. Mamma Tess will heal. I am sure of it. Hang in there. I know all about the mood swings that correlate with my horses ouchy feet. I wish I just had a normal horse like everybody else. One that has no health issues. HAH!
Dawn, I am so sorry to hear about Tess and the bad trim. We use the remission on our horses and it seems to do a good job keeping the hind gut working and the DSMO should help with the inflammation and subsequently the pain. We were lucky not to get any rotation so didn’t have to deal with that. We did have to stop a vet in his tracks once when Maya foundered because he took out a hoof knife and was going to start cutting without even asking or explaining (very scary). I must say that the trim that you describe is certainly not a wild horse barefoot trim at all. It is the kind of trim that gives barefoot a bad name. We have been using a wild horse trim studied and developed by Jamie Jackson for years and I can attest as many others can that the trimming method that Jamie developed will never cause harm to a hoof. This is a trim developed out of studies that Jamie did of the wild horses of the great basin. If you want to learn more please go to this website aanhcp.net (association for the advancement of natural horse care practices). I do know that you are in pain and under a lot of stress now with your girl Tess because I have been there before with mine and I wish for Tess a great recovery. It sounds like the vet you have on the job knows his stuff. I do hope that when things are better and you have some time you will look into the AANHCP and their horse keeping methods. Nothing that they recommend would ever cause harm to a horse and the trim methods have been a saving grace in the lives or our beautiful horses. I should say that my only affiliation is that I use the wild horse trim on my horses. My best to you and all of yours
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Paula, you may have many years of experience, but you are out of date. With proper treatment protocols developed from new research and understanding of horses’ hooves, founder just doesn’t need to be that big of a deal. I do it ALL THE TIME!! Trust me. From full coffin bone penetration to long term laminitis – correct the diet, the environment, the trim – and viola! Sound horse. Like magic…
please see this website
I am not sure if it would work, but when my horse foundered I unfortunately did not receive good advice from my vet, and he rotated out of his sole
anyway, I would have given anything for a last chance solution, maybe this would have been it
Paula: I’m guessing you haven’t followed the blog and that is fine. What I posted today were suggestions from readers, not from my vets. Tess is on a strict protocol.
If it was my horse, I would stop being so scattered with all these treatments. It is best to go about treating and caring for horses in a calm logical manner, try something, give it time, but stick to one thing at a time. The other thing to remember is the welfare of the horse. Are we putting our feelings of guilt at having helped acerbate this situation ahead of the horse and what is done is done? Once a coffin bone rotates, it will never go back and your mare will be in pain forever. There are tendon surgeries you could have done that DO work to stop the rotation but I think you are beyond that point. Also, her weight surprises me. She is way too heavy, not only for foundering but also for the load her hooves are having to carry. I have worked with horses for over 40 years, worked at a huge thoroughbred farm as an assistant trainer and barn manager and I have just about seen it all. Consistency is very very imortant. When you start listening to a lot of people with different ideas, it doesn’t work. THERE IS NO MAGIC CURE!! Once you come to terms with this, your answers will be much clearer. Good luck.